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http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-461896


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A dire report circulating in the Kremlin today that was prepared for Prime Minister Putin by Anatoly Sagalevich of Russia's Shirshov Institute of Oceanology warns that the Gulf of Mexico sea floor has been fractured “beyond all repair” and our World should begin preparing for an ecological disaster “beyond comprehension” unless “extraordinary measures” are undertaken to stop the massive flow of oil into our Planet’s eleventh largest body of water.
Most important to note about Sagalevich’s warning is that he and his fellow scientists from theRussian Academy of Sciences are the only human beings to have actually been to the Gulf of Mexico oil leak site after their being called to the disaster scene by British oil giant BP shortly after the April 22nd sinking of the Deepwater Horizon oil platform.
BP’s calling on Sagalevich after this catastrophe began is due to his being the holder of the World’s record for the deepest freshwater dive and his expertise with Russia’s two Deep Submergence Vehicles MIR 1 and MIR 2 [photo below] which are able to take their crews to the depth of 6,000 meters (19,685 ft).
 
According to Sagalevich’s report, the oil leaking into the Gulf of Mexico is not just coming from the 22 inch well bore site being shown on American television, but from at least 18 other sites on the “fractured seafloor” with the largest being nearly 11 kilometers (7 miles) from where the Deepwater Horizon sank and is spewing into these precious waters an estimated 2 million gallons of oil a day.
Interesting to note in this report is Sagalevich stating that he and the other Russian scientists were required by the United States to sign documents forbidding them to report their findings to either the American public or media, and which they had to do in order to legally operate in US territorial waters.
However, Sagalevich says that he and the other scientists gave nearly hourly updates to both US government and BP officials about what they were seeing on the sea floor, including the US Senator from their State of Florida Bill Nelson who after one such briefing stated to the MSNBC news service“Andrea we’re looking into something new right now, that there’s reports of oil that’s seeping up from the seabed… which would indicate, if that’s true, that the well casing itself is actually pierced… underneath the seabed. So, you know, the problems could be just enormous with what we’re facing.”
Though not directly stated in Sagalevich’s report, Russian scientists findings on the true state of the Gulf of Mexico oil disaster are beyond doubt being leaked to his longtime friend, and former US President George W. Bush’s top energy advisor Matthew Simmons, who US media reports state has openly said: “Matthew Simmons is sticking by his story that there's another giant leak in the Gulf of Mexico blowing massive amounts of oil into the Gulf of Mexico. On CNBC's Fast Money, he says he'd be surprised if BP lasted this summer, saying this is disaster is entirely BP's fault.”
As a prominent oil-industry insider, and one of the World's leading experts on peak oil, Simmons further warns that the US has only two options, “let the well run dry (taking 30 years, and probably ruining the Atlantic ocean) or nuking the well.”
Obama’s government, on the other hand, has stated that a nuclear option for ending this catastrophe is not being discussed, but which brings him into conflict with both Russian and American experts advocating such an extreme measure before all is lost, and as we can read as reported by Britain’s Telegraph News Service:
“The former Soviet Union (U.S.S.R.) used nuclear weapons on five separate occasions between 1966 and 1981 to successfully cap blown-out gas and oil surface wells (there was also one attempt that failed), which have been documented in a U.S. Department of Energy report on the U.S.S.R.'s peaceful uses of nuclear explosions.
Russia is now urging the United States to consider doing the same. Komsomoloskaya Pravda, the best-selling Russian daily newspaper, asserts that although based on Soviet experience there's a one-in-five chance a nuke might not seal the well, it's "a gamble the Americans could certainly risk."
Reportedly, the U.S.S.R. developed special nuclear devices explicitly for closing blown-out gas wells, theorizing that the blast from a nuclear detonation would plug any hole within 25 to 50 meters, depending on the device's power. Much as I had idly imagined, massive explosions can be employed to collapse a runaway well on itself, thus plugging, or at least substantially stanching, the flow of oil.
“Seafloor nuclear detonation is starting to sound surprisingly feasible and appropriate," University of Texas at Austin mechanical engineer Michael E. Webber is quoted observing, while Columbia University visiting scholar on nuclear policy and former naval officer Christopher Brownfield wrote in the Daily Beast: "We should have demolished this well with explosives over a month ago. And yet we watch in excruciating suspense while BP fumbles through plan after plan to recover its oil and cover its asset.”
As to the reason for Obama’s government refusing to consider nuking this oil well, Sagalevich states in this report that the American’s “main concern” is not the environmental catastrophe this disaster is causing, but rather what the impact of using a nuclear weapon to stop this leak would have on the continued production of oil from the Gulf of Mexico, and which in an energy starved World’s remains the Planet’s only oil producing region able to increase its production.
On top of the environmental catastrophe currently unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico the situation may about to get even worse as new reports from the US are confirming the grim predictions of Russian scientists regarding the oil dispersement poisons being used by BP which are being swept up into the clouds and falling as toxic rain destroying every living plant it touches, and as we had detailed in our May 23rd report titled “Toxic Oil Spill Rains Warned Could Destroy North America”
To what the final outcome of this catastrophe will be it is not in our knowing other than to state the obvious that the choice facing the American’s today is to either stop this disaster now, by any means, or pay dearly for it later.  After all, is cheap petrol really worth the cost of destroying our own Earth?  BP surely thinks so, let’s keep hoping Obama doesn’t.

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I'ma scared like a wee little girl.. Oh well, at least if mass chaos and whatnot will happen I won't have to do more schoolwork.

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I won't believe everything in a user-written article. There's no reason to believe this guy is upholding the standards dictated by centuries of journalistic tradition. If you skim the headlines of this guys posts he definitely seems to have a biased opinion leaning toward political environmentalism. So I would definitely read this with a skeptical angle. Actually, everyone just be skeptical about every piece of info you hear and think it through before handing your mind over, and the world will become a much better place, I would think. It doesn't mean there's not facts here, but this guy might be trying to scare people into subscribing to his personal agenda.  :bullshit:

About the spill, I'm sure it's bad, but we can figure out how to fix it. I believe we can come up with a scientific solution to this. No need to freak out. Any person in a lab somewhere can be all doom and gloom about the situation and it doesn't automatically make them right about it.


(update) Actually, I just read his Sharon Angle article, and I'm disinclined to believe anything Nutty McNutbag says from here further.  (Not you Cap. I will follow your orders as given)

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(update) Actually, I just read his Sharon Angle article, and I'm disinclined to believe anything Nutty McNutbag says from here further.  (Not you Cap. I will follow your orders as given)

Damn!! We were THIS CLOSE to having a new nickname for the Captain!!!!

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I have to be inclined to agree with Edena...

I don't know how a 50,000 barrel a day catastrophe becomes a 2million barrel a day APOCALYPSE SCENARIO overnight. I think it would be pretty obvious that if the WHOLE GULF was spewing oil that the oil footprint we're seeing would be vastly different.

Reality check. That's 40 times more oil than physically being spewed out. That means the problem would be 40 times bigger, if it was the whole sea floor, then the problem would be coming out all over the gulf not at one single position such as we are seeing.


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overnight?  Did you really just say overnight?




I want you all to bear in mind that, my injury aside,  I live in Louisiana, I'm a Chef...this is my livelihood and I'm gonna be extremely sensitive about this shit.   


I get that most of you aren't eyeballing this every day all day because you believe this doesn't affect you all that much.   Reality Check: it does. 


Unfortunately, this is all up in the face of those of us who live here.     

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By overnight I mean that because this person wrote this article, that what is "estimated"... i know that estimated can mean a lot of bs right now...

But nonetheless what is estimated around 50,000 barrels a day becomes 40 times bigger because someone wrote this article. Requesting other citations and sources of reference.

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I've been trying to find something a bit more academic on this since Cap posted it but I've had no luck. Now I don't know if this report is accurate, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was a huge cover-up in regard to where and at what volume the oil is leaking. It wouldn't surprise me if they are letting this shit go without nuking it so that they could pass cap and trade behind the massive environmental damage.  I'm just saying, there are a lot of variables and my experience with the government and major corporations give me little reason to trust them on fucking anything. Ultimately, they would suck my dick for a buck or a vote, only to ass rape me shortly thereafter. Hopefully this shit gets taken care of soon because it is a disaster which could severely impact the globe.

P.S. I wasn't advocating using nukes, I'm just saying the Soviets used them around 5 times in a similar fashion during the Cold War. Four were successful and I think one failed.

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I get that most of you aren't eyeballing this every day all day because you believe this doesn't affect you all that much.   Reality Check: it does. 

 

You are assuming much here, Captain. I've been out repeatedly demonstrating against BP and government corruption over this spill, and I'm about as far away as you can get and still be in the Contiguous US. I think it affects us greatly, but that doesn't make Joe Blow the tea party environmentalist any more correct in his skewing of the facts.

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You are assuming much here, Captain. I've been out repeatedly demonstrating against BP and government corruption over this spill, and I'm about as far away as you can get and still be in the Contiguous US. I think it affects us greatly, but that doesn't make Joe Blow the tea party environmentalist any more correct in his skewing of the facts.


ahem..."most of you".     You and I have spoken about this while in game, Ed...I know your stance already.   

As to the article...just bear in mind I'm only guilty of a nifty thread title and intentionally neglected to make any substantial commentary on the content of the article.   

I'll be the first person to tell everyone I meet :  Never believe anything you read, hear, or see on TV.

The only way any one of us is ever going to know what the REALITY of this horror story really is would be to get in a sub and go down there to see it for ourselves....after we get multiple degrees of various sciences to understand the surface of it all...then do a gozillion tests using empirical method, compare findings, do long term studies...etc etc...

But to the point...don't feel all accused upon, Ed...I know where y'at

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2 million gallons of oil a day

Gallons.  A barrel is typically 50-55 gallons.  2.5mil - 2.75 mil gallons = 50,000 barrels.

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The only way any one of us is ever going to know what the REALITY of this horror story really is would be to get in a sub and go down there to see it for ourselves....after we get multiple degrees of various sciences to understand the surface of it all...then do a gozillion tests using empirical method, compare findings, do long term studies...etc etc...

But to the point...don't feel all accused upon, Ed...I know where y'at

I don't mean to come off as defensive. This kind of crap just pisses me off. I hate that people see something like this and immediately believe it.  CNN should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this bullshit. Just one more reason why they are losing their credibility. My point is only that Real Journalism means that you get the facts without political bias. Real journalism allows the receiver of the facts to draw their own conclusions and doesn't put some nuggets in there to get a person to join their political agenda.There is real journalism out there. Just in this era of MSNBC and Fox News and Bloggers Posing as Journalists we, the recievers, seem to be forgetting the primary function of journalism: To present the facts in an unbiased manner. Anything else is propaganda. Even if it presents a point of view we agree with. there should be no point-of-view presented in a reliable news story. I don't want people getting all panicky over something that stinks like propaganda. It is very difficult to get the honest story in such a situation as this.  I want us all to use our reason here, thats all.

It is highly likely we are not doomed. So let's just relax and figure this shit out.

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oh no no...we're all doomed...fact of life ;)


The 2012 is coming!!!

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oh no no...we're all doomed...fact of life ;)


The 2012 is coming!!!

Oh Shit not another Birthday

 I listen to updates to this on the news radio pretty much every day, my comment would for real be to watch CBC not CNN for more "unbiased" reporting.

 


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